printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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datakick
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printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello

I'm testing printfab with indesign cs6 on a stylus pro 3880. The truth is that I'm not 100% sure about the print/driver settings I'm using. Can someone give a quick look to the following screenshots and tell me if the settings are OK or not ? Thanks in advance.

My image profil is ProPhoto RGB and I'm using PrintFab 2.25 (demo). Epson stylus pro 3880. Photo quality inkjet paper.

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here I'm not sure : colorsync or printer ?


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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello,

your Indesign & PrintFab settings are perfectly correct for printing photos.

If you want to proof-print a document that should be sent to a print house, you would use CMYK color mode instead.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello zedonet,
thank you for your reply.
I'd like to be more specific, I have added numbers to the screenshots.

screen 03
here the printer profile is set to the document profil (ProPhoto RGB). I believe this means there is no color conversion at this point ?
can you confirm ?

screen 04
its in french. Concordance des couleurs = Color Matching
"Par l'imprimante" (by printer) is selected. So I believe here again there is no color conversion ?
can you confirm ?

screen 05
Media Type : Epson Inkjet Paper (printfab icc profil for corresponding epson paper)
here is the first part for the color conversion settings
can you confirm ?

screen 06
Intent : Perception (or one of the other option depending on the source image)
here is the second part for the color conversion settings
can you confirm ?

Thank you in advance,
best regards,
Philippe
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screen 03
here the printer profile is set to the document profil (ProPhoto RGB). I believe this means there is no color conversion at this point ?
Yes, "printer profile"="document profile" means no color management by InDesign.
screen 04
its in french. Concordance des couleurs = Color Matching
"Par l'imprimante" (by printer) is selected. So I believe here again there is no color conversion ?
Yes, this is correct - no color management done by OS X ColorSync.
screen 05
Media Type : Epson Inkjet Paper (printfab icc profil for corresponding epson paper)
here is the first part for the color conversion settings

screen 06
Intent : Perception (or one of the other option depending on the source image)
here is the second part for the color conversion settings
You are right:

The color management is done by PrintFab.
"Color Space" is the input color space ("ProPhoto RGB").
"Media Type" selects the printer color profile ("Epson Inkjet Paper").
"Intent" is the rendering intent ("Perception").
"Reference Light", "Gamut" and "Color/Grey Tone" are optional profile adjustments that are currently set to default values.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello,
thank you for your quick answer!
Best,
Philippe.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello,

following our last discussion I'm facing something strange. I'm using PF+CS6+my own profil for epson cold press bright. Before printing with PF+myProfil, I did a print test with a full Epson driver/paper configuration, so I know what the printed image should basically looks like. Here's what happens:

CASE 1
when color management is on PrintFab side I can not get good results, the image is too dark, colors are strange/bold.. Just to be sure here are my settings:

photoshop / indesign print settings:
color management : let PS/ID manage
printer setting : image source profil (ex proPhotoRGB)

Pfab settings:
main / media type : my(completed printfab)Profil
color / intent : relative
mode rgb, color space proPhotoRGB

Correct me if I'm wrong but this CASE 1 scenario follows the printfab documentation.

can you help me on CASE 1 ?


CASE 2
when color management is on PS or ID side it looks like its working:
I have a calibrated monitor, and the final image perfectly matches and its just the same and even better than the one with epson profil.

photoshop / indesign print settings:
color management : let PS/ID manage
printer setting : myProfil (icc datas used to complet the PFab profil)
Pfab settings:
main / media type : my(completed printfab)Profil
color / intent : NO
mode rgb, color space proPhotoRGB

in that case and with photoshop, I can understand its working, photoshop comes with a rendering intent that you can specify in the print dialog box, wich makes a coherent process.

but with indesign (and color management on indesign side) there is no occasion to set the rendering intent, so when rendering intent is also switched off in printfab how comes that I get the same quit good printed image at the end ?

can you explain the CASE 2 with indesign ?


Thanks.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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You are right, both versions (A - color management in PrintFab / B - color management in Indesign) should produce identical results.

The rendering intent for version B is set in the Indesign dialog

Edit -> Color Settings -> Conversion Options -> "Intent"

(only available if "Advanced Mode" is checked).

You could try if the setting "Use Black Point Compensation" makes a difference.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hello,

ok, now I understand for indesign — And I was not aware that Edit -> Color Settings -> Conversion Options -> "Intent" could have an influence while printing, for me its a setting used during color conversion when embeded images/graphics profil doesnt matches the working space profil, but ok... :) — Anyway, my setting in ID is correct and set to RELATIVE + black point comp.

I have that feeling that when CS6 color mamagement is off the optimized image sent to printfab is not properly 'recognized'.

Look at the screenshots, with this settings its doesnt work. To give you an idea the final printed image looks like she was printed 2 time on the same paper.. ?

Best, Philippe.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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The "Intent" on tab "Color" should be "Perception", not "Colorimetric relative".
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Hum I dont think so. The image is not a photo but an illustration. Softproofing shows a better render with RELATIVE colorimetric. Anyway I did try with PERCEPTION and it doesnt change anything. Just a question : when color management is on CS6 side, and in printfab/main what do you recommand for media type : an empty profil (only paper+ink limit), or the completed profil (with the icc data that already are on CS6 side has a profil) ?
Thank you,
Philippe.
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Re: printing with indesign CS6 on stylus pro 3880

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Using an "empty profile" or "completed profile" doesn't make a difference as long as intent = "No correction" is selected.

About the different "Intent" settings:

"Intent"="Perception" / "Perception Photo" / "Saturation"

RGB Black (R,G,B=0,0,0) will be printed as the darkest printer color available

"Intent"="Colorimetric relative" / "Colorimetric absolute"

RGB Black (R,G,B=0,0,0) is interpreted as absolute black (L=0 in the Lab color system)
(PrintFab currently doesn't offer a "black point compensation" setting)

Instead of the setting "Colorimetric relative" I would recomment the setting "Saturation" - this works exactly like "Colorimetric relative" + black point compensation.
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